In the last episode of YDHTY, Dan Gorenstein of the podcast Tradeoffs explained how a web of overlapping regulations and competing interests made reforming America's healthcare system difficult. Economist Jon Gruber found a way to reconcile these interests when he proposed the individual mandate as a way to bring universal healthcare to the state of Massachusetts.

In this episode, Gruber discusses his experience working with the Romney Administration on a bill that brought Republicans and Democrats together, how his experience working with the Obama Administration differed, and how political polarization could prevent smart people from entering public service to solve the country's toughest problems.

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