The school shooting in Uvalde, Texas has left many of us heartbroken and frustrated with a debate that often breaks down along partisan talking points. Suggestions range from a full ban on assault rifles to arming teachers.

Left out of the conversation are the law enforcement officers who deal with the impact of gun violence on a daily basis.

In this episode, Dan speaks with Jesus "Eddie" Campa - former Chief Deputy of the El Paso County Sheriff's Department and former Chief of Police of the small town of Marshall, Texas - to discuss the recent school shooting, and how loose gun laws often complicate the lives of law enforcement.

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